Good vs Bad Chauncey???
Last night, I tried the same but at 90+ lbs, I couldn't pull Chaunce back. In fact he pulled the lead out of my hand and chased him home, nipping at his butt. The woman was in the yard and saw what happened and as soon as she retrieved her beast ( sorry, dog ) Chauncey turned around and came back to me. I am torn as far as my response to Chauncey, not with the lady. I try very hard to be a good doggie neighbor and do not want an aggressive dog, but truely believe either Chaunce or I would have been bitten. I really didn't have heart to scold him for protecting us, but now wonder if maybe I shouldn't have. I just told the lady that she needed to control her animals or I would be the next call to the SPCA and took Chaunce inside. I should mention that he plays well with other dogs and has never done anything like this before. Any thoughts on how I should have handled this this would be greatly appreciated.....Thanks, Kathy |
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| I wouldn't worry about it-- at least not in the way that you are. I think he understood the situation to not be friendly as soon as the dog approached so he went into protection mode. It does not sound like aggression. It sounds like he was defending his person and his territory and apparently holding his own! You were in your own yard so what happened wasn't your fault. It sounds like Chauncey didn't hurt the other dog but rather nipped/herded him back to where he belonged. Chauncey didn't get hurt, did he?
I think the only thing you could've done is to get him and yourself in the house before the other dog approached, but, of course, that's not something that you did wrong, time just didn't allow. Holding onto him may have just excited him more and you may have wound up trying to break up a dog fight at the end of a leash and gotten hurt in the process. As an added bonus, maybe Chauncey showed this dog who's boss and he won't be venturing to your yard again soon.  |
| I think you should have actually praised him because he returned to you. Never scold a dog for coming back to you. If returning to you is a negative experience they definitely won't come running.
You can report the incident to the humane society and they will tell you the appropriate agency to report it to from there. ie. police, dog catcher, etc. If this dog has harmed domestic animals then he is probably going to be considered a vicious and dangerous dog. If he has bitten a human he can be quarantined for observation both for behavior and rabies. At least the owner can be fined for not observing the local leash law or trespassing if she's on your property. |
| It was definitely protection. I never thought of the herding aspect, but he just took the other dog home nipping at his bottom, then returned to me mumbling/grumbling and then looked up at me. When I told Bobby of this he felt he was "protecting his sheep". ( This is as a result of a quote from Dog Tricks for Dummies,"When training herding dogs you are either the sheppard or the sheep"...I tease Bob because Chauncey listens much better to me ). I wasn't looking for a protector but a fuzzy snuggle buddy, looks like I got both. I've been use to a flabby labby with absolutely NO alpha characteristics. |
| I didn't scold or praise as I really wasn't sure what to do, we just went back inside and carried on with our normal routine. I hate to contact the authorities and create bad feelings ( they live just across the street ). They do have a history and the neighbor next door said we are the only ones that have not complained. Our county is very passive as far as animal control enforcement. If it happens again I will press the issue. |
| You did good not to scold him.
Chauncey was behaving in a normal doggie fashion. Unless you had trained him to act differently it really would be unfair to expect any other reaction. My lovable goofy Bosley would have done the exact same thing. He is lovable and easy-going, but if there is any dog that appears slightly threatening he is there, and ready to react as needed. He isn't quite the same with the scarey bunnies in the back yard, though.....  |
| I think you reacted in exactly the right way.
I agree it sounds like he was only protecting you, a normal reaction, and it's good to know he will! 
I agree with never scolding a dog for returning, but I'm not so sure I would praise the behaviour either. Dancer was quiet as a pup, but then when she was a little older and barked at a stranger at the door one day (the guy was definitely creepy) I praised her. Well, she thought that was great, and barked at EVERYONE who even walked by the house, let alone knocked on the door. It drove me nuts, and now she is almost 3 years old and I think I have just finally gotten her out of that habit. |
| Distressing news to report. Chauncey was attacked in our driveway on Sunday by the pit/boxer mix owned by these people. Bobby & I were playing catch with Chaunce in our driveway. Chauncey is fine, but Bobby was a whole lot less graceous to them than I was a few days ago. We were able to physically & verbally able to get him off Chauncey and thankfully Chauncey has enough rough, because he had him down by the neck, he wasn't hurt. It is the first time in my life I have kicked at a dog, I'd do ANYTHING to protect Chauncey! We did call the SPCA and report them, and as neighbor's have said, they do have a history of aggression, so they were issued a warning citation and should this happen ( yet again ), they will be fined and the dogs could be taken. Welcome to Maryland!!!!! We were able to file two reports since it had been two incidents in less than a week by their dogs.
Chauncey is neutered, these dogs have alway been a problem to other neighbor's although we have not had major problems until now. Chauncey is about 14 mos. could it be that???? My honest opinion is just they have become the bad boys of the neighborhood and they do seem to feed off each other. BTW, this is the other dog! |
You did right not to scold him 
I think you reacted in exactly the right way  |
OMG how scary! 
I am glad Chauncey is ok. I hope the warning is enough for your neighbors to keep control of their dogs. |
How traumatic. I hope they get the message soon. People like that should not be allowed to have animals. 
Good thing Chauncey is a hairy sheepdog - can you imagine how bad he would have been hurt if he had little hair? Scary. |
So glad chauncey is OK. How scary!! Hope it does not effect his playful nature after the attack.  |
| Chaunce is pretty much back to his old cuddly self. I, on the other hand, was scared to death. To see this dog have Chaunce by the throat, I went into MOM mode! I do not believe in strriking a dog, but when I saw him have Chaunce down by the neck, all bets were off! I have never in all my years as a dog owner been faced with anything like this. The guy came over tonight to appolgize, but I was firm in that this was the last time. I hate to see any animals put down as vicious, but I'd kill before I let that victim be Chaunce. Any further.........infringements on our very loose codes will result in their being taken from their owners and likely put down as viscious animals. They do have a history in our area |
| Yikes! That is so scary! I am glad Chauncy is ok. Is there a place you can play with him that the neighbor dogs can't get into? |
| Chauncey is a clown, with a wonderful personality. Not overly behaved but controlable, These dogs have NOT been socialized and are using pack methods to control dogs in our neighborhood, I though maybe we had taken control the night Chaunce took the little one home, last Monday. I do NOT want to reinforce any dominate trait's in Chaunce, we do try to be a good dog neighbor and I do not want him to have problems with other dogs. In fact he plays with several other dogs and is the less dominant |
| Chauncey sounds great. I hope the neighbors get control of their dogs. |
| So do we Val. These dogs are dog aggressive. I will not allow Chaunce to be hurt. |
| Reading your posts made my own blood boil! How dare they let their dogs loose to terrorize the neighborhood!
I am such a proponent of gentle postive hands-off training...yet don't let any dog or person hurt one of my dogs....The gloves would be off! If people want to keep dog-agressive dogs that is their choice, and all the power to them....I had one, myself, and it was hard to manage but you do what you have to do. But it is certainly not acceptable to put other dogs in danger. Glad that they got reported and warned. |
| Nicole, I will promise Chaunce won't get hurt, if Bob & I can avoid it. We may get a little doggie bit but we will NOT let anything happen to Chaunce, if we can avoid it. We try so hard to be responsible and train Chaunce to the best of our abilitities and then....you have these idiots that don't have a clue.....duh..... food goes in one end and poop comes out the other right???? |
| I'm sorry you had such a trauma... |
| I'm just catching up on this thread, and it sent shivers down my spine. I'm SO thankful Chauncey is okay, and I fully understand how you went into Mom mode.
Ever since Mandy's (maxmm) Carl was attacked by a pit bull in a Philly dog park last year, I shudder when I think of any other dog having to face that. Like you, we all went into "Mom" mode to get the pit to release Carl. Even the owner couldn't get him to back down. I've never been so scared. It was a horrible thing to witness. Luckily Carl wasn't seriously hurt, but maybe Mandy will chime in and tell how Carl's personality is since the attack. Good luck. Keep us posted. |
| Carl info.
The pit that attacked Carl had him by the neck too and was actually doing the prey shake on him. I'm quite sure that if we had not intervened he would have broken his neck. These are big, strong dogs with a drive to kill. They don't attack to gain dominance or to hurt another dog, they attack to kill. No matter how much you work or live with these dogs, they will always have that drive. Not all dogs of these breeds are like this, many have been socialized and trained over generations to live and behave with humans. These dogs, like the ones that attacked your Chauncey and my Carl, have a drive that overwhelms any training they may have had. Since they are untrained and unsocialized, their drive overrides any 'social politeness' they may have learned. Since the attack, Carl has been more twitch and nervous than ever. It had become really bad in the two weeks following the attack and seemed to crest at about a month or two afterword. He stayed about the same for a few months; very skiddish and higher strung than normal. He was very apprehensive about other dogs that he didn't know and if a dog started sniffing him or have an indication of dominance, he would freak out. Sometimes with a small growl and a cowering appearance or he would just take flight. In the last month and a half or so, I'm happy to report, that he has been much better. He is more outgoing, and upbeat. He carries himself more confidently and is not nearly so nervous. It did take a long time and a lot of work to get him back to his version of normal.
Also, if it weren't for his hair and wide collar and cover, his injuries would have been much more extensive. Thankfully, the pit couldn't get a good grip on him. Glad to here that Chauncey is okay!!! |
| I just got caught up on this post too.
Sent shivers down my spine. How awful for you and Chauncey. Good for you for reporting them and also for giving your neighbours a piece of your mind! It's amazing what a person can do when they go into "Mom mode". We all would have done the same I'm sure so don't feel guilty for that. Good for you for sticking up for your baby. I'm shocked that after every neighbour has called and complained or reported an incident, including 2 by you in the last week and all they get is a warning. Seems like there have been enough complaints/incidents for them to take REAL action. If you see those dogs loose again.... CALL! Maybe if the authorities keep hearing from you and your neighbours they will actually do something about these dogs. Good luck. Big hug from me and big lick from Barkley to Chauncey. |
| I think of the attack on Carl often since it happened in my local dog park. It was awful -- so scary -- and so lucky that not more damage was done. I am glad to hear he is recovering from the trauma. That particular dog hasn't been seen since but there are plenty of pits every day -- some nice but many aren't. Also, the boxers in my area are being bred into these super muscular, agressive, dominant dogs and their owners are keeping them intact. I used to love boxers but now I am very wary of them. They cause alot of fights. |
| That's really scary, Valerie. Since you're moving now hopefully you'll find a nice dog park where responsible owners bring dogs who are dog-friendly (and people-friendly!).
Here in Ontario pits are banned. Any already existing pits had to be altered immediately and none can be bred. Also any existing pits must be muzzled whenever they're out (not sure exactly if it's anytime outside or anytime off their property). Can't say I totally agree with a ban of a breed, but it does mean there are no pits at the dog park and that means there certainly are no dog-agressive pits at the dog park which is reassuring. |
| Well I'm feeling like the horrible dog mother. Today ( 2 days after the attack ) we noticed Chauncey licking his right side. We pulled the hair aside and he has a 3/4" laceration that is VERY deep. I used a sterile probe and it's at least that deep. We have a Vet appoint. at 4:45. I'm absolutely sick with guilt, we thought we checked him over well. |
Don't feel bad. Be glad that you looked again and that you could get a quick appointment. I'm sure with antibiotics, he'll be just fine. Let us know what the vet says. Big hugs for Chauncy!  |
| Poor Chauncey!
If you originally reported to the authorities that he was not injured in the attack, make sure you call them to report what you've found. Also take pictures if you're able with something in the photo to show size perspective. Good luck at the vet. Perhaps you should send your neighbour the bill! |
| I'm an old ER nurse, I've already notified animal control and took pic's with a ruler. Also took one with the probe in the wound to detail the depth of the wound. We are also to get the officer a copy of the medical record. Animal control said the dogs are up to date on their shots, but she didn't actually see a copy of their records. I'm a little worried about this.
The officer told me when I spoke with her today that they would be listed as vicious. They will not be allowed out of the house unattended. This would not have helped in either of our attacks, both the owner's were out with them. |
| Oh, poor Chauncey! But please don't beat yourself up. You did look him over, it was just something you missed. He'll be fine with a little stitching and some antibiotics.
We had that happen many, many years ago with our first sheepie. The neighbor's dog came charging over with no provocation. We thought we checked Buford over, too, but a day or so later we noticed a fairly deep wound, too. I was beside myself, feeling just like you do - a bad mommy. But he was fine after the vet visit, and I'm sure Chauncey will be, too. Good luck, and keep us posted. |
| i really feel for chauncey & you. i am sure he will be ok, but i must understand are there "people" (i am thinking lots of bad words inbetween the quotation marks) just letting the dogs out with no leash or anything. are there leash laws? i am confused on how they can do that knowing their dogs have hurt others in the past. check the news in South Carolina. Last night a TODDLER was killed in his own home by pit bulls. the dogs were his dads and they just mauled the child in the kitchen. i don't understand because it seems more and more people are using the dogs for fighting. my god i just don't understand people. i don't blame the dog i blame the people. well please keep us updated on Chauncey |
| Just home from the vet. The wound is infected already and has formed a pus pocket, so it will have to remain open. We started on 2 antibiotics and peroxide wound washings 3-4 times a day. He has on a bite not collar, which is much better than the old hood type, he's actually tolerating it pretty well. I'm not sure how I'll feel about it at 3am when he tries to prop his head on my butt
Now that I have Chaunce cared for I'm back to being angry.Chauncey is always on his lease with one of us attached to the other end even in his own yard! I'm angry at my self for not finding the wound on Sunday |
| Don't beat yourself up. You are a good sheepie mom. Give Chauncey a hug from us. Keep us posted on his progress. |
| I hope Chauncey is feeling better - poor boy. With all the hair, it's hard to find cuts. It was probably flat and hard to see at the time of the attack.
We had one on Dino, one of the min pins, and with peroxide alone it cleared up quickly. He actually was prey of a hawk in our hay field - a talon got him. Luckily, he's the fatter one  and he got away! I don't know how a talon compares germ-wise to a bite, but Dino had a nasty tunneled slash and it healed great. |
| Please give Chauncey a hug from my gang. I am am "old E.R. nurse too!! It is a shame that you cannot walk your own dog in your own yard. People that don't socialize and train their dogs make my blood boil!! Don't blame yourself your neighbors are irresponsible!! We have 12.5 acres and could let our dogs roam but some of the neighbors have unneutered males wandering and I had to fence a large area to keep the neighbor hood dogs out!!! Plus we have fox and coyote on the hill and my dogs would have a field day running. Poor Chauncey I hope he gets better soon and you get some resolution with these biting dogs. I too would do anything to protect my pets. Anytime you want a playdate I have 4 very friendly puppers. And Guinness is about 90 lbs. He and Chauncey would have a blast running. |
| Poor Chauncey! I do hope he's feeling better - and you too. You did all the right things, you know.
I would definitely keep an eye on the neighbor's dogs and make sure they "follow the rules". What a shame that people don't care enough about their own dogs to take better care of them and socialize them so they do not terrorize the neighborhood and jeapordize their own lives. |
| Don't feel bad. We're going though an identical wound on Clyde right now after he and Bear's scrap last week. Even though we did find it right away and cleaned it up, it still got infected despite our best efforts. Two days after, he also swelled up with a big pocket of infection so he's on meds and warm compresses now, too. Don't worry, he'll be fine! |
| I may be in need of foster care for ME!!!! I decided to spring Chaunce from that God aweful collar and came up with what I think is a great idea.
I tried Bobby's boxers but they were too large, the ones I bought at Sams for summer were just right. Needless to say Chaunce is running through the house in pink striped boxers. He's tolerating them really well SOOO... they're staying!! He seems very confident in his masculinity. I doubt that he be as scared for life as my son says. ps: Bobby will be home at 11:30 pm, all offers considered, I have transportation. I do have pic's and as soon as I can remember how to post I will... |
We might consider fostering you.. but are you up to date on your shots and has a temperment test been done??? I have this visual of dear chauncey galloping thru the house in his pink boxers, sliding across the floor  |
| My shots are current but temperment is not too good right now. Chauncey went out to greet Bobby last night and at first ( there weren't any lights on in that room ) he didn't notice, then I heard "what the H*** do you have on.......KATHY! " Chauncey's new nick name is pretty pink pants. I just hate to keep the collar on when we're here when the pink boxers work...and he tolerates them really well. |
| Did you cut holes in them or do you have to take the boxers off every time Chauncey goes out for potty?
Thinking I might get a pair of pink boxers for when Barkley's recovering from neuter.... |
| I just slip them on & off when he needs to go out. He has tolerated them really well. It only takes a second or 2 to put them on. |
| O MY YOU MUST POST A PHOTO PLEASE!. i really want to see this. well i am glad all is ok and Chauncey is doing well. Keep us posted also on what happens with your mean neighbour's dogs (please) i would feel better if they did something about it or at lease did not let them roam free anymore. |
| Chauncey will be fine. We've been thru bites and tears from staubs, etc. All heal nicely. The wet warm packs keep the wound from crusting over, which helps the drainage.
I worry about you breaking up dog fights. Friend is suffering from severe bites and nerve damage on her left hand from breaking up a dog fight. Be careful! Any change of having a cane when you go outside? Dog walking around here needs one. I use a trekker pole. Ski pole might be considered a weapon......but with pits in attack mode, a .357 might be better yet. Did you send your neighbor the vet bill? Too bad you dont know their insurance company......owning a vicious breed jacks up or cancels the homeowner's insurance. |
SheepieBoss wrote: Did you send your neighbor the vet bill? Too bad you dont know their insurance company......owning a vicious breed jacks up or cancels the homeowner's insurance.
In some cases, they won't insure you at all. My insurance company won't insure anyone with pitbulls, rottweilers and some other "attack" breeds. Thank goodness Komondors are too rare to make a list because there's no way they'd pass. |
| The happiest dog owners in the world are Doberman Pinscher Owners... ever since Pit Bulls and Rotties started making the headlines... remember the whole "They'll snap and turn on their owners" thing? how come we never hear about that anymore? |
Quote: In some cases, they won't insure you at all. My insurance company won't insure anyone with pitbulls, rottweilers and some other "attack" breeds. Thank goodness Komondors are too rare to make a list because there's no way they'd pass.
What is a komondor? I have never seen one! |
Jill's Bear is a Komondor. It's a breed of dog, originally from Hungary, that was bred to protect flocks.
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| Lol. He looks so harmless in that picture.
Just joking. He's turned into a really good boy but I pity anyone who would try to encroach on our territory or, even worse, me. He's definitely protective. |
| Bear is still working on growing his cords. I've never seen a Komondor in person, but I imagine the cords are much like dread locks.
Here you can check out information on the breed. http://www.akc.org/breeds/komondor/index.cfm It's one we considered getting and will still consider getting someday! |
| Er, what I meant to say was that you can go to that website to see what a Kom looks like with full cords. They're really neat looking, but a lot of work when they're forming. Jill's up to the challenge, though! She's been doing a great job, despite what a certain local groomer has been telling her. |
| What a great Sheepie Mom you are. What a good Boy Chauncy is running off that dog and coming home. I hope you're able to get a good resolution to deal with those crummy irresponsible neighbors.
Hugs to you and Chauncy! We were walking Katrina one time and we passed a house where a guy and his pit/mix were out in the yard without a leash. The dog charge Katrina and I was hysterical yelling "you're killing my dog" and the guy took his time reacting while I was doing everything imaginable to get it off of her. Then we RAN home. When we got home she had a scrape above her eye. She healed fine, but I was forever damaged and leary of other dogs after that and conscious of protecting her. I used to be so innocent and since I'd only had friendly dogs it just never crossed my mind that there'd be unfriendly dogs that people owned running loose. Pretty niave, huh? |
| Update: Chaunce is doing well a week later. Wound is still open ( still on antibiotics, but not pussy (sorry I'm a nurse, no other way to spell it ).
He is active, no fever, but wound is not closing. Plan to call Vet tomorrow. The outer edges of the wound look healthy and I think if we'd have found it sooner and it could have been sutured we might be further along in the healing process. Still doing the peroxide wound care with antibiotic cream 3 times a day. I think we may need another 3-7 days of antibiotics. He hates the collar but it is much better than the old cone type. You guys know I spring him during the day and put him in pretty pink boxers...and catch heck for it at night....he does look so cute. I have pic's but can't remember how to post. I promise to research the post on posting pic's. He's still my fuzzy, cuddle buddy....Kathy |
Thank you for the update on Chauncy. I was wondering how he was doing. Hopefully he will heal quickly. Please give him a big hug for me.  |
| Big hugs to Chauncey. I hope his wound starts healing better soon. At least it's not getting worse, but it would be great if it would get better soon!
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