poor sheepie
 Sorry Just had to vent. I wish I could snatch him up and give him a human house to live in with a nice soft bed. |
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| I wont stop you |
| Dog nap him in the middle of the night....(just kidding.. kind of).
That's a tough situation.. if you approached her about possibily re-homing him, would she be insulted or open to the suggestion? |
| I don't know how involved you want to get ,but maybe offer to groom him? I guess you would have to shave him down... poor baby. WHY do people do this!!!!!!! |
| Dogs Deserve Better!
http://www.dogsdeservebetter.com/ The information on this website might give you ideas on how to approach your neighbour about her dog. Or, if you are uncomfortable doing so, you can contact a local representative from Dogs Deserve Better. I'm sure there are a number of them in PA. This is especially dangerous for an OES. Their hair can become so badly matted that poop/pee cannot get out, causing infection and even death. |
I think I am gonna go for a walk today, make some conversation with her and ask if I can meet her oes. Then I will be able to see what condition he is really in. Mybe I can help her with some grooming for now and think thing out for a later date.  |
| If you happen to become "chummy" with her, ask if she wants to come to the dog show with you. There is one in Harrisburg 11/16-11/19. Maybe seeing some really nice sheepdogs would have an effect too. Then I'll help you gang up on her.
If that doesn't work, let me know. Shellie and I will come out there and help you help her. |
bge, that is a great idea!!! However, if she's going to keep her dog outside, I hope the dog isn't too cold after being shaved. I guess it's better than having hair matted into your skin. What a tough situation. I see dogs tied up all the time, but for some reason... imagining a sheepie outside breaks my heart. 
I've seen dogs on base hopping on the snow because they're feet are frozen and they've been left outside too long. Mr. J and I want to say something (this was last year), but didn't know how. The house we were in said the dogs enjoy it. ..but looking out the window at these dogs, they looked miserable and OBVIOUSLY too cold. It was in the single digits outside. |
Joahaeyo wrote: The house we were in said the dogs enjoy it. ..but looking out the window at these dogs, they looked miserable and OBVIOUSLY too cold. It was in the single digits outside.
Single digits in degrees farenheit?!?!? Dogs can get frostbite too! 
Also means they have no access to drinking water - it would be frozen solid! Some people.... |
| I will help if I can! I will be at the dog show too - so maybe mention
it too her. Tell her you have a few friends who have OES that would really love to meet her. (Actually I would - and you meet as well!) I have been working on my neighbor as well. We have shaved his dog down and helped out with flea control as well. That part was partially selfish since our yards are next to each other and I didn't want my dogs bringing home fleas or ticks...  He keeps saying
he is going to take her to be placed, and he keeps not doing it. He never pets or touches her unless it is in anger, she is stuck outside all day and sometimes at night. His job often takes him out of the area and he just doesn't want her. She isn't very cute - JMO, but she is a very nice dog. I go play and talk to her when I'm outside. FWIW, I have checked and there really isn't anything I can do about removing her, unless I take her myself. So my suggestion is to try to wear her down, otherwise you may invite bad feelings and that would likely only be worse for the dog. Keep us informed, and if she decides to let the dog go, we can certainly help with that. Shellie |
| Okay I am going to be honest here.
I would take that poor sheepie away from her, incognito of course, and give it the life it deserves. I am so sick of people treating their dogs that way and don't even get me started on the puppy mill issues in this country. I can't even read those posts anymore because I literally cry. You have to wonder....if she treats her dog that way.....how much would she really miss him/her? How would she like it tied up like that in the dead of winter? Sorry, I had to vent.....some people today......I just don't understand..... |
| I agree with the sentiment hoffma, but please please don't take the dog away incognito.
One of the women who works for Dogs Deserve Better did exactly that after she received a frantic call from a neighbour that a chained dog looked like it was dying. The woman documented the dog's condition before taking it off the chain and bringing it to the vet. She's now facing charges of tresspassing and theft, and the dogs owners are not facing any charges of animal cruelty/neglect (last time I checked). Since dogs are considered property, it is considered theft. Even if we don't agree with some of the laws, please for your sake don't break the law. If you are concerned about the dog's condition, document it then call your local Humane Society - or whatever organization in your area would be legally able to take possession of an animal who is being abused/neglected. Take photos, video, make records of dates and times, recording that the dog is still chained. This may give local authorities enough evidence to take the dog away to be rehomed. Check out your county's laws on chaining dogs. Some counties actually have laws against keeping a dog chained outside all the time. |
Well I talked to the lady with the tied up Oes. His name is Barley and he is 2years old. You can tell that she had tried to clip him with scissors and get the mats out. He is well fed and looks healthy. Very Very dirty. They rent and are not alowed to have him in the house. She flew him in from out west. They are building him a pen so he doesn't have to be tied up all the time. Then she droped the bomb!!!  She said that she would like to get a female and breed them. I about lost it. I told her that there are enough homless pups in the world and we don't need any more. To make it short , I don't think I made any brownie points with her. |
| Perhaps printing out all the pages from petfinder, etc and showing her the OES already needing homes will change her mind. Stressing the cost and low return on her $$$ might get through. Saying they might not get homes for all the pups. Maybe...... |
| (Beyond the obvious) Could you imagine having puppies outside in the freezing OR hot weather, and not bringing them inside because your landlord won't allow it . . .it makes me want to cry when people don't think through things. . . |
| Many years ago, a beautiful Irish Setter pup was kept in the back yard of the house next to my in-laws. No food or water, except what my in-laws gave her.
We called the local pound and the SPCA. Both advised us that by the time the case made it to court, the pup would likely be dead. So they suggested just taking her. (Remember if was years ago) We took her, with the intention of returning her if the owners put up signs or mentioned her disappearance to my in-laws or otherr neighbors. She lived to the ripe pld age of 10 and was a joy. I would do it agian in a heartbeat. |
| Many people who leave their dogs outside 24-7 say they love them to death and brag about how great they are. It's good to hear that it appears the oes is healthy and there was an attempt to cut out some matts. Despite the dog being dirty, lonely, and lacking the attn it needs, I'm sure the police would side with the owner if someone tried taking away their pet. Many people don't consider that cruel. People are realizing that pets are more like family members, but many still believe they just belong outside.
I know people who own small pets such as a maltese that are kept outside 24-7 unless the temps are too cold. |
| This is exactly why it is a good idea to do a home visit or get someone you know to do a home visit before placing a dog. Whether a breeder, or recue or someone re-homing a pet.
I wonder where she got an OES that did not get have to be neutered... .....and where she is planning on getting the female to breed with him......
Imagine the genetic mess in that offspring... Can you imagine a breeder or rescue doing a home visit and seeing the boy chained up outside? |
| You should sneak the dog out, get him neutered, keep him for a few days until he heals and then put him back. She'll just think he got loose and came home and no worries about more puppies. |
| Regarding home visits, Joan and I have only done one pre-placement home visit for rescue, but I was sure to bring my dog along; if they didn't want to see the dog in the house, or were concerned about their floors...
Plus I wanted to see their interaction with a sheepdog. They passed with flying colors on all counts and from what I hear are doing well. Our experience delivering one dog wasn't as positive. Joan and I delivered a dog to an OES experienced mature couple in their 60's. For some reason not known to us, the rescue had not done a home visit and had matched this couple up with a young dog, about 1 year and large if I recall correctly. The man had difficulty getting around his own yard that had a low stone wall in it. This was a very excitable young pupper, too. I had thoughts about taking the dog back with us, but we weren't the foster family, I didn't know if this guy had a place to go to long term if we returned with him, I didn't have any instructions from the rescue as to what to do if the home was inappropriate. It's something we didn't even think about when agreeing to do the transportation and delivery. Joan and I were concerned about the placement and talked about it the whole way home. We voiced our concern to the rescue, and I think it was less than a week later that the dog was rehomed again at the adoptive parent's request, they just couldn't handle that much Sheeper puppy. I don't know how the dog was transported or whatever happened to him -- the rescue didn't ask us to participate again. |
Quote: Stressing the cost and low return on her $$$ might get through. Saying they might not get homes for all the pups.
Unfortunately this kind of person will have virtually no cost in producing puppies, except the price she pays for a female pup. And also unfortunately, where we live there is a high enough demand and she will probably know this. (I live near bge) After all, she got her dog from a distance. I am proud of you bge! I hope she takes some of what you said to heart even if she was angry at the time. She is not doing any good for the breed, and certainly not for the pups she could potentially produce. Thanks for speaking up to her! Shellie |
Ron wrote: Joan and I were concerned about the placement and talked about it the whole way home. We voiced our concern to the rescue, and I think it was less than a week later that the dog was rehomed again at the adoptive parent's request, they just couldn't handle that much Sheeper puppy. Ron, Rule 1 in rescue: Quote: Always trust your gut feeling. If it doesn't look and feel right then it probably isn't.
For the welfare of the dog it is best to err on the side of caution. You did good to give your feedback. 
I wonder if this poor back yard dog's breeder knows what kind of life he is living...or cares, for that matter.... |
bge wrote: .... They rent and are not alowed to have him in the house. She flew him in from out west.
... Then she droped the bomb!!! She said that she would like to get a female and breed them. I about lost it. I told her that there are enough homless pups in the world and we don't need any more. To make it short , I don't think I made any brownie points with her.Have you talked with your neighbour since this conversation? Aside from all the other obvious reasons why this woman should not be breeding her dog - where does she intend to keep a pregnant dog and then a litter of puppies?!?! She apparently can't bring the dogs inside - so the puppies will be born and raised outside???? |
| I hate to be Debbie Downer or anything but it seems to me that the top priority for her is $$$. She probably tried to de-mat her so she wouldn't look like such a careless animal owner.
It's hard to put trust in people anymore...I wish we could save the dog. |
Hopefully she is all talk and doesn't breed.  |
| Do you think she would sell the dog (if she's only interested in money)?
Maybe we could all chip in & buy him for ? |
| I will try to see her in the next couple of days. I want to take him some treats and give him some attention. I'll let you all know if she is receptive to my visit or if she chaces me off. |
I am ready to donate. Let's buy the dog!!!!  |
| Keep me informed, I'm about an hour or so from Hershey |
| I'm in PA I'll donate also |
| We had one case where the neighbor did take the dog at midnight.
This woman had two OES in a kennel in AL in the middle of the summer, one dog was dead in the kennel for days and the other was there without water or food. The owner was on drugs big time. The neighbors contacted us and I told them to get in touch with their local animal group or Humane Society. Well they were living way down in the country in AL where there was no help for the animals, they still shoot sick dogs there. Anyway they took her and hid he in their home until we could get her. Poor Belle had a heart problem and could not get spayed but we found her a wonderful home that kept her on her heart meds, but later she had pyometra, because she was not spayed and had to be put to sleep. She had almost one year of love and happy days. I know God had a hand in this one. The drugged up owner never knew the dog was gone. I don't believe in stealing someone's dog, but for the love of animals, we just have to do what we have to do. Ingrid |
| bge - Have you seen your neighbour lately? How is the sheepie doing? Have you been able to talk with her/talk some sense into her? |
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