DOG OWNER RULES?
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| Your neighbours sound awful!
It sounds to me like you're doing everything possible to be a responsible dog owner and ensure that your dog isn't a nuisance to your neighbours... and it sounds like your neighbours are very intolerant. I think if your dog were to frequently pee in the same spot, it would damage the grass but one pee won't hurt their precious grass. The fact that you've got her to pee on the street-side patch of grass is excellent. Noone ever uses that part of their grass, right? Good luck. I hope you can find an alternative for the time being. Maybe you could try walking down a different street or some nearby trails or parks. |
i wish there were a different street, but my neighbour hood is not so big. This is why i have been walking in th emiddle untill i get out to the street. i really am trying o more importantly olive is doing so well in training now. She doesn't jump anymore and is all together turning into a trained dog (thank gawd) ok well wanted to make sure maybe i was not missing something. i jsut feel sorry for olive becaus she is such a nice girl and i feel like any mom would i want to defend my kid so i wanted to make sure i had a right to defend i am just sad. This is why i like dogs because they are just better than people ( moet of the time)  |
| I think you have perfectly good doggie owner manners. For people who don't have or don't like dogs, I think they take it out on ALL dog owners and assume the worst. One day I took Annie for a long walk in our neighborhood. I stopped on the sidewalk to tie my shoe. A man drove quickly around the corner and his driveway and rolled his window down to yell at me that my dog better not being doing business on his lawn. Apparently my wonderful neighbor who watches the pups sometimes, said he had an incident with the man year ago when he had 2 dogs.
I do have to say that our house is close to a townhouse complex. We go towards the townhouses (that allow dogs) instead of private owners homes, just in case... |
| It sounds like you are being pretty responsible, BUT, I have to say, that if the grass on the street side of the sidewalk is privately-owned, then I don't blame the house owners for getting upset. Peeing does kill the grass and especially if you are on a well-doggie-travelled route, chances are you have many dogs peeing there or marking territory where one dog has gone before.
My husband LOVES his grass. So much so that Barney is only allowed to pee in certain parts in our yard. So I can see why people get mad...they can also see it as a sign of disrespect for their property, and they might also think that if you allow your dog to pee there, you might let them poop there and maybe won't pick it up (I know you said you do, but not everyone does). When we walk Barney, we only allow him to go in certain spots. There are 2 places along the route that are sanctioned for pee/poo. It took a while to train him that these were the only spots that were allowed (in his mind, what's different between this grass and that grass), but now he knows and will immediately veer off the sidewalk when we get there. |
| Personally,
I think you're doing fine. Esp in a townhouse development, it is hard to find a doggy appropriate spot for walking. Are there any common areas that are owned by the community, where olive's releiving herself won't get on peoples nerves? Before I take Pip for a walk, I make sure he does his business in our yard first (he is always out on his lead anyways) then take him for walkies. Any extra poos go in the bag, but generally he doesn't have to go potty during the walk, since he's already been. Any that he does do, is pretty minimal. I try to keep out walks to public parks and such, where there is no house owner to get upset, but barring that. |
| I live in a town home community and MOST people now recognize me as a dog person that carries bags! However, when we were fostering Mickey Blue Eyes, we were in an area of the neighborhood that is NOT owned by a person, and the dog Mickey was visiting with pooped. I left our friend and my husband to stay with the dogs and I ran and got a bag. After I cleaned it up our friend told us that the man in the house nearest us hadn't stopped staring at us until we cleaned it up. Some people are really particular.
Sometimes I get upset at dog owners, too. I see so many piles left around the grass in public areas such as by the pool, and sometimes even my own yard - and I KNOW it wasn't Bingley. These are the people that ruin it for the rest of us. 
Still, limiting pee to a certain area sometimes isn't feasible! We knew when we bought our town home that there would be dogs peeing in our front yard because we're not allowed to put up a fence in front. It's just a nature of this style of living. Although I think dog owners should be responsible and clean up after their pets, I also think that other home-owners should be reasonable as well. |
Your neighbours sound awful 
I think you have perfectly good doggie owner manners  |
| I think you're doing the responsible thing picking up after your dog. If you want to cite an authoritative source - for what ever good that would do - get a copy of the Canine Good Citizen pamphlet from AKC. Picking up after your dog is considered by them as good behavior.
In our neighborhood, most people that walk their dogs, carry "doggie bags" with them. Then there's the elderly gentleman two house up from me who let's his dog loose to do his business in my neighbor's back yard!...on a regular basis. Nevermind the community has a leash law. Finally my neighbor threatened to call the police unless the guy started picking up after his dog. Your neighbors should be proud of your consideration for them. One suggestion, if the street is not heavily travelled (I'm thinking its a quiet subdivision street) walk in the street facing oncoming traffic, then the dog, if heeling properly would be on your left side, next to the curb and he could water all the mailbox posts, fire hydrants and street lights. Some of our streets have no sidewalks, so I walk my guys that way. Generally though I try to get them to do their business in my back yard in a penned off area for that purpose before I take them for a walk. |
George wrote: Generally though I try to get them to do their business in my back yard in a penned off area for that purpose before I take them for a walk.
I always try and do this too. Though I always bring cleanup bags, I still feel awkward when Walter squares up on someone else's lawn. I've never had a run-in, thankfully, and don't plan to. A couple quick "chase the ball" games usually get the insides working - especially if you time your walks right around feedings / sleeping / other play, etc. Sounds like you're doing a fine job though - keep it up! |
| What about carrying a sport bottle of water with you and when your dog pees on someone's grass, just rinse it down with the water. Might make everyone feel better. |
| My Dad loves his lawn too, and they have trained their dog to only use certain areas.
My lawn is mostly weeds, but I try to make sure they use an area to the side of the house, at the gravelly end of the driveway. When I'm walking them though I just take bags, if they poop I clean it but I don't think I've ever really thought about when they pee. I always make sure they are street side too... Some of my neighbors walk their dogs offleash, which doesn't bother me, but when their males lift their leg on my van it kind of annoys me.
I have 3 girls, so I understand why their dogs "want" to pee on my van, but I don't know why their owners don't keep their dogs on leash when they go by my house. |
thanks for the ideas. i must clarify i dow own my house not a condo and i do walk olive in my yard first. if by chance she goes again i have bags to clean up. the day the lady yelled at me olive was in my neighbours yard right at the edge just sniffing...not even peeing. and the lady just got mad at me. i am begining to realize you just can't please everyone so you have to please yourself...and yes i am singing that in my head now.  the state is putting in sidewalks for miles on both sides of the major road at the entrance to my neighbourhood so now i just take olive down the middle of the street then when we get to the "safe spot" i let her sniff to her hearts contentment. it seems to be working. i just thought it was so strange because the lady was walking a dog. i just happened to be walking my dog in the non approved by her spot i guess. anyway count on olive to make it funny. she just walked right over to her and stuck her big ol' OES nose in the lady's butt  ... which is her OES way of saying hi how ya doing. so take that mean lady. |
| You sound like a wonderful Sheepie mom and I'd be happy to have you for a neighbor. It sounds as though these people are just not "dog people", too bad for them. You will live a much fuller and happier like because of your dogs.....Kathy |
| The pH or nitrogen concent of the urine will kill St Augustine. We have had it happen to us several times.
We love our grass too. Our solution has been to run the sprinkler in the backyard for two minutes after the dogs come back inside. |
| I dont understand what going on. I have 2 times situation like that and that upset me. first time I go with bruno he is 3 months old and passed near some fence and some man came and said to me: "Dont allow your dog to pee on my fence."
OK I said in that time Bruno didnt go from tree to tree  one month later I was in the same street but not even close to that fence and that man came again with same story "don't alow your..."
Whats happend I just wait that bruno start to rise his rear leg we will go every day by that fence. Of course we dont have same law like in USA. I have grass too, so what is that grass made from gold or what. If that is such problem take your car and go in some park or something like that. I think that dog is suffer because of that. Animals love freedom what we doing to him is not freedom in any case. What to expect next ? When he go near grass to start to fly? That's silly. You are doing your best and I think thats enough. But that's my opinion. |
| We love our dogs, and are tolerant of them.
Many people are not, and it is unfair of anyone to expect them to be different. I personally never had a problem with dogs in my yard, but I know people who do. And its their yard. In many cities and neighborhoods, the street frontage is the responsibility of the home owner, and they have a right to object to its being used as a doggy potty. My guess would be that they think the dog/owner won't stop at a pee-pee, but escalate ultimately to more substantial leavings. That expectation is born of irresponsible dog owners who think everyone should see their dog as they do. If its any comfort, those same people would probably be just as territorial and intolerant of children too.... Folks put a lot of time, work and money into their lawns and surroundings, and do not want ANYTHING or ANYONE to do anything that might soil or damage or otherwise alter the result, often to include walking on it! Personally, if I had a yard that dogs and kids couldn't play in, I think a tanker of RoundUp would be in order... |
Chauncey wrote: You sound like a wonderful Sheepie mom and I'd be happy to have you for a neighbor. It sounds as though these people are just not "dog people", too bad for them. You will live a much fuller and happier like because of your dogs.....Kathy
There is a condo development behind our neighborhood - some old woman got all out of shape because some of our neighbors would walk their dogs up there - the dogs had already pottied in their own yard, they simply walk up there because it expands their daily walk. The condo neighbors always walk in our neighborhood with their dogs. Well, this particular woman is as nasty as can be - I've always avoided her because of her hateful behavior. She eventually had someone cited by the police for walking on their common property and has since installed all these "Private property" signs along the property line. Life is short enough, but when someone is so nasty, it just shortens. This womans life has to be miserable. |
| i am so glad i am not the only one who has had a bad experience. I do have an update. i started talking with this woman who has 2 dogs and lives up the street. i told her of the lady who snapped at me about olive sniffing in my neighbours yard. I also had a lady leave poo on my front door step...but it turned out she had demenca(i can't spell) and was really obsevive about her yard. Anyway i have now started to meet the normal people in my neighbour hood, and they have even funnier stories about the annal rentitive ones. We just laughed and laughed. so i am looking into putting up a fence soon and i will keep taking olive for long walks out of the neighbourhood. thats just how it must be. |
| Hi Olive's Mom,
I'm glad you are a responsible dog owner, but I have to say, I myself am not a pet lover. I can respect that you love Olive and that you're doing your best, but I would hate it if someone kept leaving trash on property in front of my home, regardless of whether it's street side or not. Technically, the property may be considered public, but shouldn't we respect it still as being in the care of the people who live in front of it? "Technically" you may not own some of the surrounding area of your home, but would you enjoy it if people loittered there? Probably not, but "technically" they're not doing anything wrong. I think your neighbors may feel the same way. I live in a townhouse complex with neighbors who allow garbage, their children, and their dogs to come onto our property. We've had to speak to them about the poop that's all over the shared front yard. i can't even let my kids out to play there because our neighbors have there pets out running loose. Having said that, it sounds like you are trying. It takes time for people to see that you are making a change. Just keep at it. Actions speak louder than words. Your neighbors will see that you are being a good dog owner. Just remember that while you love your pets, there's no rule to say that anyone else has to. |
| Hi Olives mom.
As a guy who lives in a townhouse and has a problem with his neighbours dog destroying his lawn, I can easily say....STOP IT!!!!!! Would you like me coming into your home and peeing on your couch or carpet? I would assume not. I have to walk on that grass, my kids play on that grass and one pee will burn the grass due to excess nitrogen in the dogs urine. Please, have respect for others property and make your dog pee on YOUR property. Fair is fair and responsible is responsible. |
| I think you are being a responsible pet owner. You cant ask for much more, you pick up after your dog, you taught him to use the bathroom on the street side and not in someones yard. Obe will go and doesn't care grass, sidewalk, street. I pick up after him so what else do people want. Lets be reasonable here...I bet there is no wildlife that ever poops or pees in someones yard. Mr. Fox always cares a bag to clean up after himself and the same goes for the raccoons. I see them all the time with one stuffed in the hip pocket.
The sad thing is that some people do not clean up after their dog and that is why all dog owners get a bad rap. |
| I walk mine in the forest, thank god only one street away. My dogs poop in the woods and the deer poop in my yard. |
| I used to think that there was some value in keeping dogs off the lawn and not letting them pee there, until someone pointed out to me that squirrels, birds, rabbits, and all manner of bugs and other wee beasties pee and poop all over your yard all day long.
It's seems silly to discriminate. Now, I am a very responsible pet owner who would never leave a pile of poop anywhere but I don't really think a little pee is an issue. It's not like you can stop the squirrels from doing it all day long. It's sounds to me like the OP is doing her best. |
| Sorry, I am strongly in the camp of not letting your dog go on your neighbor's property for any reason. Private property is just that, so I prefer to always err on the conservative side.
Furthermore, I use walks as an opportunity to train. My dogs know that they are to move forward when I say "heel" - this is especially important when you are walking more dogs than you have hands! They get the reward of being walked to an off leash public area (and yes, I always pick up after them.) Then I put on their leashes and off we go at a brisk pace back home. The great thing is that because this sort of conservative behavior is a commonly accepted practice in my community, you find business owners far more tolerant about letting dogs come in their businesses. Lowes and Home Depot are full of dogs of every size with their owners shipping for paint, etc. Not only that, I have seen more than one dog in grocery carts at the grocery stores. No one ever seems to mind and the dogs are completely silent. While my beasts can do the Lowes, outdoor restaurant thing, they are not going in my grocery cart! I know its against the law, so I just wouldn't go there. Good luck with your new group. But take along bags and a bottle of water in case you need to tidy up after Olive. And always apologize to anyone who upon whose property she has treaded. I think often, people appreciate it if they know you understand that it is their property and you respect that. |
| I am the owner of a toy poodle and live in a trailer park in Florida. This is the first time I have owned a dog and I am appalled at the behavior of some of my neighbors toward responsible, poop scooping dog owners. I too have been yelled at and abused by all manner of lunatics as I walk down the street. The times this has happened my dog and I were walking IN THE STREET. The dog was not anywhere near the yard of the lunatic. All the years I did not own a dog, it never occured to me to yell at someone for walking down the street or for letting their dog poop on my grass for that matter..... as long as they picked it up. I can't imagine having so little life as to be obsessed with this. One of my neighbors, who happens to be a priest, actually hides on his lanai in the dark in order to catch people. I have decided to take my dog every day, no matter how inconvenient, to a doggy park several miles away; I have developed a very low tolerance for morons and it really is just far easier than listening to them vent their displaced anger. |
| I second the suggestion to carry water with you and dilute the urine. Of course pick up the poop immediately. It's the best you can do and is far more than most do. There are many nasty people out there, you can't let their misery influence you. |
| Jen had Bentley trained to stay on the the sidewalk. We'd be walking along and if he strayed to either side, she'd simply say 'sidewalk' and he was right back in the middle of the concrete. Zoey actually picked up on this. It's something that she started to avoid issues before they came up. A block or so away lives a Great Dane. The owner walks him on what I call 'their' side of the plat. I call it that because she allows him to pinch loaves, (I'm not trying to be cute, they seem that big!) wherever he wants and doesn't clean up, I've seen it a dozen times. The last time we went down that way, a home owner came out and said something about the poo and told me to quit letting my do poop, (not his words...) in his yard. I very politely told him, 'If those boulders came from my dog, my dog would have to go see a vet. So quite honestly, you're talking to the wrong dog owner.' He just looked at me. I stood there for another couple seconds and just said to him, 'Seriously? It ain't us.' We don't even go that way anymore. It's a big plat and they can have it. Folks on our side are more forgiving. That and I live in a red-neck neighborhood; they're either psycho or want to come up and belly-scratch your dog. Either way, I'm entertained. The woman across the street from us we call the Psycho-Lady, yet she loves our big hairy beasts, go figure. If I were in your shoes, (my feet would probably hurt...), I'd find a different route, or hit the closest park more often. Or find anything in the city code that could either back you up or back them off. If there isn't a code on it, you're golden until they find out... Vance |
| I am a dog owner and I have had 5 dogs growing up and I do not like it when anybody lets there dog go anywhere I have to take care of the grass before we take our dogs out for a walk we make them go in our back yard and we never let them walk on anybodys yard even the parkway people have to take care of the grass that is on the street side we let them go where there are no houses and we do clean it up if you train your dog it will go where ever you train it to go. I think people who let there dog go anywhere the dog wants to go is not a good dog owner you should train your dog not let your god train you! Sandy from Chicago, IL |
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